Posted by loswhit in Culture

I drink beer because it relaxes me.
I could tell you I’m a beer taste aficionado or that I love the way it tastes.
To be honest, I have acquired a taste for it.
But if I was at dinner, and I was thirsty, I’d rather a glass of ice water or a freaking jug of soccer mom gatorade to quench my thirst.
Beer gives me a buzz.
I’m not drinking Odoul’s people.
I’m assuming that most believers who partake in the zippy zippy also do it because they get buzzed.
Or kinda drunk.
Or kinda sober.
Or, oh crap.

I wish Jesus had a breathalyzer in his pocket that night he made that really nice wine.
And it was wine people.

Then we could see how buzzed/drunk the people at the wedding got off His gift that filled over 6 vats.
Then I could drink and not have to wonder…
Is one more drunk?
I mean last week, I KNOW I got “legally” drunk but I “felt” fine.
I was at home with my wife and friends.
But I had a headache in the morning.
So I think that meant I was hungover.
Or maybe it was the Holy Spirit.
No. Probably one too many Stella’s.

So all this to say…
What are your thoughts on not DRINKING per sé…
But That Really Nice Feeling You Get When You Drink?
Los

  • Mike

    it’s delicious! A ‘buzz’ type of feeling is no different than Nyquil. hmmm….me want beer now! BEER ME CARLOS!

  • http://www.insertimg.com/ Wes Molebash

    I’ve been drunk only one time in my life, and I’ve sworn I’ll never do it again. I puked my guts out and the next day was ruined because of my hangover.

    Like you, I don’t drink beer to quench my thirst, but I do enjoy the taste. So I’ll have one or two beers if I’m at dinner or with friends, and then I switch to soda or water. I do like the relaxed feeling I get while drinking a beer (especially when coupled with a cigar), but I know my limits. No more drunk-puking-my-guts-out for me!

  • http://www.ivoryjohn.com/ John Wylie

    I hate that people make such a big deal out of this topic.
    Some people shouldn’t drink – and some people can drink…it is a question of self control and what the effects of alcohol has on you.

    If you lose control of yourself while drunk – it is probably not for you.
    If you depend on the drink – it is probably not for you.

    The act of drinking is not sin for everyone – and the act of not drinking doesn’t make you any more holy than the man who can drink and control himself.

  • Molly

    Oh Carlos, I love it when you stir the pot! My thoughts on drinking are pretty much the same as yours…and rest assured the next time y’all are here that the fridge in the laundry room will be stocked!!

  • BriAnne

    From one who actually can not drink-I’m allergic to alcohol, can’t even have nyquil-there are days I wish I could have enough to just relax once in a while… I know many strong Christians who do drink for the effects.. To be relaxed and let their minds unwind…

  • http://randomlychad.com Chad Jones

    Sure I drink, but it’s one, or at most, two. I enjoy the taste, and yes, I’ve felt buzzed. But my conviction is such that I won’t continue. When the Scripture says “be not drunk with wine” I’m pretty sure God means it. What I think it’s about is not letting anything control us other than the Spirit. That’s my $.02.

  • Connor…

    I get a relaxing feeling drinking coffee, and a headache if I don’t get my freshly ground fix… but I don’t see people lining up to accuse me because I drink too much coffee…

  • Drew Pederson

    Oh boy… Here we go.

    I’m a big dude, so it takes a few pops to get me buzzing. With that said, it definitely happens and has on a few occasions gone way too far past “buzzing”. I think there’s a pretty clear biblical imperative (don’t get drunk) but as you point out, nobody was holding a breathalyzer at the wedding feast. Like so many areas of faith, we’re walking the line between two things. If my government says I can’t drive when my blood alcohol content is .08 that’s fine but can I rock the .08 watching a football game with my buddies on my couch?

    I think it comes down to a question of wise vs unwise. Sure, I can have another beer but am I going to say something I’ll regret? Am I gonna feel like crap in the morning? I think in a lot of ways this discussion is like the classic “how many bases can I tag before marriage?” one. Is it worth finding out?

  • Lainie

    I’m the odd duck at social gatherings because I don’t drink. People ask me a million questions & treat me like a weirdo. I’m not holier than thou; I just don’t like the taste of alcohol. I don’t judge people for drinking so I wish they’d stop judging me for NOT drinking…lol

    • kd

      Agreed…me too. At a wedding the other night I ordered a kiddie cocktail (I love those!) and my own sister(also part of an alcoholic family like me, but who was drinking herself) made fun of me for it. I can have just as much fun, or more even, without drinking, so why do it?

    • Joy

      Exactly. And it’s fellow Christians who have a tendency to judge you for not drinking. I say, if you like alcohol, go ahead! But you need to examine your own heart if my actions make you feel bad…

  • http://lams73.me Chris Lam

    JesusBeer? Where? :D

    I have the unfortunate, but comical ‘asian red lobster’ syndrome (oriental flush in medical terms). Fun for others to watch, but if I drink too much, my face swells up and then I’m gone… – not drunk, but I react a bit too fast to it.

    I serve in a university campus ministry (as a student) and our Friday Happy Hour at the campus bar do get a lot of people coming.

  • kd

    I’ve never had a drop of alcohol in my life. Alcoholism runs rampant in my family(it is an inherited disease) and I have avoided it for that very reason. I have seen it destroy lives and families. As for me, I have a very addictive personality, and I know that even one drink could lead me down the road of destruction. I’ve seen people who just want a “buzz” eventually crave that feeling that leads to being drunk, that leads to irresponsible (and possibly deadly) behavior, that leads to a dependency on that “buzz” or drunkenness to get them through any difficult or uncomfortable situation in life. I don’t see the point of drinking alcohol, of needing that “buzz” for any reason. It can quickly become addicting. I have to say, especially as Christians, what is the point of drinking at all? In public it can hinder our witness. In private, I don’t see the need. It seems to me to be just another form of escapism. I’m not being judgmental here. I just don’t understand why alcohol is needed to “relax.” There are many ways to relax. Drinking just seems to be the “cool, rebellious” Christian thing to do lately. Really, society revolves around drinking & irresponsible behavior. Shouldn’t we refrain from it for that reason? Just my thoughts.

    • samueljohn

      Great thoughts… and of course, I know many Christians (and non-Christians) that DON’T drink specifically for the reasons you gave.
      And… I don’t expect you (or anyone) to always “see the point” of why people do what they do.

      Every individual on this earth has their own unique set of beliefs and convictions, based in whatever faith they choose. Make sure the fact that you cannot “see the point” in someone’s beliefs doesn’t affect your ability to NOT judge them, or love them.

      • http://musicalmindset-realnoimitation.blogspot.com/ Brad Robertson

        Amen, brother.

    • http://www.ivoryjohn.com/ John Wylie

      How is drinking rebellious in the first place? It is cool – sure.
      I’d say drinking is just as possible to be sinful as surfing the internet…you can find yourself in a world of hurt (sin wise) with no self control in either.

      Just my thoughts.

      • whenthesaints

        I definitely think it’s a culture thing. I live in Europe and almost everyone here drinks alcohol. Not to be cool, not to get a buzz, we just drink a glass of red wine because we like drinking wine.

    • Megan

      I came here to leave a similar comment. I also don’t drink because of alcohol in my family background. As I was a kid, I got to see the affects of someone who was an alcoholic (though it was thankfully not as bad as it could have been). For many years of my life, I’ve made a commitment not to drink because I don’t want to risk continuing the cycle. I recently read Brennan Manning’s memoir All is Grace and was reminded how real and destructive the disease can be.

      But my opinion does differ with yours. I don’t think that every Christian should abstain from drinking. I don’t think it’s right to limit everyone in that way. I think people should be very careful and alcohol should not become a crutch or an addiction. For alcoholics, family of alcoholics, or those who have an addictive personality, I feel it’s safer to stay away from alcohol. If I didn’t have the family history with it, I’d likely drink casually.

    • http://musicalmindset-realnoimitation.blogspot.com/ Brad Robertson

      I fully admire you for doing what’s best for you. However, I have to say that saying “In public it can hinder our witness” isn’t always true. I’m a part of a group of men, split into pairs, that are all believers, that have made a commitment to visit a few local bars once a week. Each pair goes to a different bar on the same night, each week. The idea is to build relationships with the people that work there, that are there alone after work, etc. I’ve had more Christ centered conversations with non-believers over a beer than I can count. Jesus didn’t just preach within the church. He went to where the people were. He met them in places that were more comfortable for them than himself. In order to love people, sometimes we have to meet them where they’re at. I can honestly say that I think people sit at bars, alone, hoping that someone will talk to them. If an opportunity to share Christ with someone, or even just listen to their life story and show them the love of Christ by listening, means I have to share a beer with them. Then I’m all for it. Alcohol has been twisted to be this terrible thing that is ruining the church. However, it’s not the substance itself, it’s people making bad decisions. Responsibility can lead to opportunity. To sound cliche, drink responsibly. Do I always follow that? No, but then again, I’m a sinner saved by grace, sometimes I screw up… that doesn’t make me a bad person,or a bad Christian.

      • brian

        and I go to strip clubs to meet non-believers. I’ve had more many conversations with non-believers about the beauty of God’s creation while having a lap dance (please note sarcasm). I think the Church would do a better job reaching people if they could see how Christ can make a real change in our lives. Most people sitting “at bars, alone, hoping someone will talk to them” are wanting freedom from that life. It seems we are promoting the same life with a Christian spin on it. Jesus preached new life…new creation…freedom from sin.

        1 John 2:15-17, “15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world. 17 And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.”

        • http://musicalmindset-realnoimitation.blogspot.com/ Brad Robertson

          So because I drink a beer, and talk about Christ with someone that means that the love of the Father is not in me? Wow, it amazes me how many people are completely close-minded to the reality that in order to build relationships sometimes you have to meet people where they are. I stated my belief and my opinion to give a different side of the story, therefore your sarcasm is unnecessary and inappropriate. You absolutely CAN NOT say “Most people sitting at bars alone… ” because obviously you haven’t spent time in bars with those people, so you know nothing about them. I respect that you have a different opinion than I do, that’s completely fine. However, to your final point when I spend time with those people in those bars I’m not “promoting the same life with a Christian spin on it” I’m living the life I believe I was called to live, by striving to be more like Christ, and loving people. Anything you spend time doing outside of reading the Word can be considered being things of the world… don’t twist that to make it seem like drinking a beer is a sin. Because by that logic, going to a baseball game, playing golf, riding 4-wheelers, etc, etc. could all be examples of loving things “of the world” and I’m going to bet you wouldn’t condemn people for using those activities to share the Gospel.

          • Brian

            You’re right. I make the assumption that people sitting alone in bars want to be free from that life. Do you disagree with my assumption? If so, why do you go to bars to talk with those people? Aren’t you going for the purpose of talking to them about freedom from their sin?

            Yes, I think drinking is a sin. On some level, you must agree. Isn’t that why you go to the bar…because you expect nonbelievers to be hanging out there?

            • http://musicalmindset-realnoimitation.blogspot.com/ Brad Robertson

              I do disagree because I don’t try to make assumptions for why they are there. I go to bars to talk to people in general, because it’s something that Christians don’t do often enough. There is such a stigma about being seen in a bar having a beer if you’re a Christian that people like yourself have condemned people that are in bars by assuming they want to escape their lives or want freedom from something. I enjoy the conversation that I can find in a bar, and I think you can build relationships anywhere, but I know in my city, not many people are spending time listening to others stories, especially in bars. So I go to bars for the purpose of talking to people. Building relationships. Hearing their stories. I trust that when the time is right the Holy Spirit will speak through my words and provide opportunities to share the Gospel, if said person needs to hear it.

              I don’t believe drinking is a sin. I believe being a drunkard is what the Bible refers to as a sin. And no, it’s not that I expect nonbelievers to hang out there… but I know that too many Christians purposely avoid bars based on false assumptions that they are spiritual dark or places where “nonbelievers hang out”. I don’t believe in the close-minded philosophy that we shouldn’t meet people where they are, or that we can’t spend time learning stories and building relationships with everyone. How am I to know if someone is a believer, if I won’t go talk to them?

              • brian

                Agreed, we should go where the people are. I applaud you for that. This issue I have is with sharing Christ over a beer. It just seems like we, the Church, are conforming to society in order to reach more people. Being relevant is a good thing, but conforming is different. Romans 12 speaks about giving our lives up as a living sacrifice…not conforming to the world, but transforming…becoming new in Christ.

                I quoted 1 John 2 earlier, but apparently we have different thoughts about what “things of the world” are. I personally believe drinking and bars would fit in that category. I’m curious to know what kinds of things you would say are “of the world.” World can mean different things. There is world in the sense of “For God so loved the world…” meaning the people. Then there is the world, meaning things of the fleshly or sinful nature. 1 John 2 is obviously talking about the latter.

                I’m not condemning nonbelievers for drinking OR getting drunk. They are without Christ, I expect their behavior to reflect that. Christ didn’t condemn nonbelievers either, but when they became believers He was clear in teaching they were no longer to live a life of sin. I’m afraid we, the church, are guilty of preaching half the gospel. We focus too much on grace, but overlook truth. Jesus preached grace and truth. He offered love and forgiveness, but He was clear that it came at a cost…repentance, turning away from self and sin.

                I realize that the other extreme is to focus too much on truth and overlook grace. That’s not right either.

                • http://musicalmindset-realnoimitation.blogspot.com/ Brad Robertson

                  I agree with what you’re saying in the sense that we expect that those without Christ can’t be held to the same standard. Like I said before, I respect your opinion, and I love having the discussion. I think the key to our disagreement is that I don’t view drinking a beer as a sin, or trying to conform to the world. And I agree that we, the church, are often guilty of preaching half of the Gospel, but I just don’t think the having a beer part is the issue there. I think There are much bigger problems with the half we are missing, like the fact that unfortunately, we the church, have given people three wrong messages (in particular) A.) Once you become a Christian life is easy B.) Once you become a Christian that it’s about rules not a relationship with Christ C.) The Easter Bunny Jesus.. and by that I mean he’s a fluffy, peaceful, cute and cuddly Jesus that brings us nice things. Not that Jesus that could love, but also judge and be wrathful when need be. I don’t struggle with drinking, and I am fully aware that people do. I try my best, not to cause others to stumble by drinking if they are against it, or have a drinking problem. Which granted, I can’t always know that when I walk into a bar… which is why I believe in having multiple conversations with them first. I’m not saying I’m 100% right, nor that you are 100% wrong. I think you have a valid argument, and I think I do as well. I also think that’s the beautiful thing about community, and open forums like this that Los has created for us to discuss them in.

                  • Rachel

                    Wow, I enjoyed “eaves dropping” on this conversation! Love your statement, Brad:

                    “I’m not saying I’m 100% right, nor that you are 100% wrong. I think you have a valid argument, and I think I do as well. I also think that’s the beautiful thing about community, and open forums like this that Los has created for us to discuss them in.”

                    So true. As believers we will continuously be confronted with worldly standards and norms that don’t line up with our values and beliefs. But we are here, people, all of us mixed up together with all sorts of different world views, faith views, life views. These conversations are so important! At least in my opinion.

                    For me the conversation starts after common sense… of course you’re not going to pressure someone who’s not interested in drinking to drink. And if someone has a history of addictive tendencies then grab a ginger beer instead of a Stella. I whole heartedly agree with you, Brad, in reaching out to people where they are. God commands us first to love Him & then to love our neighbors. I actually really like that you guys are intentional about having conversations and building relationships with those you meet. You mentioned that as you talk to people you trust that the Holy Spirit will use you & your words accordingly, when it’s right. I think that’s such a great example of being a lantern but not trying to be the light….of understanding that we cannot save another person, but we can be a vessel for God work through us. How can He work through us if we are not making ourselves available to do so? Really encouraged to hear that you and your friends set out to have fun and spend quality time with each other, while also being open for God to use you in the lives of those you encounter.

                    Brian, I feel your take is valid as well. We are not all called to the same kinds of places/situations to reach out to people. The bars would be reeeeeeal crowded if we all felt a need to talk about God & the Gospel over some Gin. :)

                    As for my answer to the question, I do enjoy a glass or two of red wine on occasion! Never an over-indulgence, but I do like both the taste and that it’s relaxing.

                    • http://musicalmindset-realnoimitation.blogspot.com/ Brad Robertson

                      What an encouraging response to wake up too, especially following our weekly Community on Tap meeting last night. Thanks for the input Rachel! I couldn’t have said it better myself ” being a lantern but not trying to be the light….of understanding that we cannot save another person, but we can be a vessel for God work through us. How can He work through us if we are not making ourselves available to do so?” That is the EXACT purpose of what we are doing. I know all too well that my conversation on any given night may not lead people to a relationship with Christ in that first hour of conversation. It’s about consistency, and follow through. Too often we as the Church, when reaching out to nonbelievers, think we just need to get them in the doors of the church and then everything will work itself out. I mean, honestly, I would bet that 8/10 that strategy doesn’t work. However, as you said, that’s my view point and we are not all called to the same kinds of places/situations to reach out to people. I really do appreciate the encouragement and the feedback on the conversation.

                      Grace and Peace,

  • cindy

    Hmm, I’ve been a really heavy drinker, a social drinker and teetotaler. Drinking seriously dulls the pain, physical and emotional. Psalm 104 refers to wine as a gift from God to make our hearts glad. I like my heart glad. Plus the buzz tends to slow the frantic hamster wheel in my head down to a dull roar. But I also really like the taste of expensive tequila, my husbands pomegranate martinis and cold beer with spicy food or pizza. I don’t drink much these days because the physical pain I was drowning turned out to be damaging my joints (debilitating arthritis sucks man) and I take meds now that don’t play well with alcohol.

    But here’s a question for your Christian audience…what about marijuana use? If legalized, prescribed or whatever, is it OK to use? It’s the next great debate in church, methinks.

    • Brenda P

      “Plus the buzz tends to slow the frantic hamster wheel in my head down to a dull roar.”

      I get that. When I feel the alcohol kick in, it’s like my tendency to worry lifts and I don’t feel so weighted down by my life.

    • Elissa

      Why would legal use of a plant bother God when he gave us dominion over the earth? Especially if you aren’t morally opposed to the use of other pain medications?

  • Conn

    Why do we as Christians make drunkenness any more elevated of a sin as others? If anything that is sinful in itself being judgmental.

  • Brenda P

    I’ve had a rocky relationship with alcohol. I started drinking when I was going through a really rough time, and I drank to escape. I drank to pass out (which is CLEARLY so unhealthy), and actually had some serious consequences happen in my life from poor choices I made while drinking. Honestly, I don’t understand the point of drinking if you don’t feel it. It’s not like there aren’t other liquids that taste good. The point of alcohol is to feel it. I do enjoy having a drink with some friends, or one drink at the end of the day or on the weekend to relax, but sometimes I won’t even do that because I know I’m really wanting to escape and if I start I might not be able to stop with one drink. Some days it’s fine and not a big deal to stop at one. And because of my body type, it takes quite a bit of alcohol for me to feel it. It’s been that way ever since my first drink. I actually thought there was something wrong with the first vodka I drank because I didn’t feel anything. I don’t have any hard and fast rules for myself, but I try to err on the side of caution. I’ve hurt too many people (including myself) by being careless with my choices.

  • chrisdwalker

    Drinking alcohol does little for me. Never could acquire a taste for beer. I like the stuff with sugar in it. But I can get a Mountain Dew for 1/3 the price of one of those fruity drinks with umbrellas and stuff. I find relaxation in eating food. That can be good or bad.

  • Justin Davis

    i hate the taste off it. i can always taste the alcohol, even in the one’s i’ve been assured you can’t, it’s the same with coffee but that’s another story. It’s probably better anyways cause there have been several alcoholics in my family and it has ruined many marriages, my father’s included. But mostly i’m thankful that i hate the stuff because coke is cheaper. not sure how many thousands of dollars i’ve saved by not drinking alcohol lol. oh, and i never really liked the buzzed feeling either, didn’t understand the appeal. besides, i act like enough of an idiot already without alcohol to help me along haha.

  • Ben Nelson

    Alcohol is for some people, Jesus being one of them. Alcohol is not for some people, John the Baptist being one of them. Either way someone is going to try and convince you that the other way is the way God intended.

    “For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.” Mat 11:18-19

    May the world know us by our Love. May they know that we are Christian by less of what we say and more of what we do!

    P.S. I drink. I’m a worship pastor. Missionary. & Disciple maker.

  • Liz Roberson

    I wonder if there were laws about riding donkeys after a certain number of chalices of wine? They certainly had enough laws about everything else! Mainly, I’m jealous of my husband who tends to get even happier and friendlier than his normal jolly self from just a couple of beers. He’s 6’3″ and I’m 5’1″ yet it takes me a few mixed drinks or glasses of wine before I feel a buzz at all. So, I’m practical…too expensive to get a buzz too often! Yeah, it’s nice, but I’d rather be at home around the firepit in the backyard joking with friends and solving the mysteries of life. Not to mention that even at home, I feel weird about both of us being under the influence at the same time. All the questions of: what if one of the kids needed to go to the hospital at 3am? Would I be sober enough to take care of them?
    But yes, if I am having a particularly stressful day…since I carry my stress in my muscles, a glass of wine will usually do the trick to help relax me.

  • tlamarca

    I do drink, for the taste, the feeling, and sometimes even the price. $1 drafts and pizza slices for hockey games is a clear opportunity to have a beer cheaper than a coke. I like the taste of beer, wine, harder liquors, and the like. I like the feeling I get from alcohol and the relaxing affects it has. I don’t drink to get drunk though. If I get a buzz, fine. If not, that’s fine too.

    It seems that most people will agree that it’s a matter of conviction and self-control. Sometimes it even matters what the culture is around you. If you belong to a church or a family that avoids alcohol, it might be a good idea to do the same as to not cause them to stumble from their convictions. At the same time, if you are in a place where it is socially acceptable to be drunk, it may be your opportunity to be a light in the darkness or an example of responsible drinking.

    I have a few friends who brew their own beer (very tasty) and hard ciders. I make my own wine (120 gallons of it are aging in bulk right now). I have no problem with alcohol, and I have no problem with those who do not drink.

    I think it’s a matter of what/who you are serving. Longing for that buzz and always chasing after it could easily be a form of idolatry.

  • Mitch VanDenBerghe

    I feel more calm and collected when I’ve had a few beers, be it at band practice, working on a tough project on the car or around the house, or doing nothing but relaxing. I also find that I am more confident when talking with the other sex when I’ve already had a few cold ones.

  • Dawn Ontiveros

    I rarely have a glass of wine or beer. Maybe 3 time in a year. Not enough to matter. My concern has been for years that I don’t want to be drinking when the Lord returns to get us. Can you image having a angel say to you “hey its time to go home NOW” and your slurring your words saying ” cool dude were is the DeLorean let fly home”. Not the way I’d like to meet the Lord. Just sayin. =)

  • Nick

    Haha, nice one Carlos. We all know you can’t get drunk off Stella’s.

  • Nick

    Looks like my other smart ass comment got deleted. In all seriousness, I think it’s important Christians demonstrate biblical and healthy drinking habits. Don’t run away from something because it can become distorted and sinful. If that was the case, you better not eat food again in fear of gluttony, never have sex with your spouse in fear of lust, never go on the internet or watch a movie/tv show in fear of seeing something you shouldn’t see. Don’t stick your head in the sand. I’ll leave you with a quote from Martin Luther: “Whenever the devil harasses you, seek the company of men or drink more, or joke and talk nonsense, or do some other merry thing. Sometimes we must drink more, sport, recreate ourselves, and even sin a little to spite the devil, so that we leave him no place for troubling our consciences with trifles. We are conquered if we try too conscientiously not to sin at all. So when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to.”

  • Lindsey

    I think God cares about orphans and the poor and the lost and the hurting. I don’t think He cares if I have a drink. (that is obviously less likely if you have an addictive personality or have alcoholism running in your family). But God? Nah. He’s got bigger fish to fry.

  • beccity98

    I don’t drink because I a) haven’t found anything that doesn’t taste like alcohol, b) doesn’t give me heartburn or c) doesn’t just put me to sleep. People try to offer me drinks saying, “You can’t taste the alcohol in this” and that’s all I taste. I can handle one glass of pineapple juice and Malibu rum, only if it’s ice cold. We’ve had a bottle of vodka in our fridge since way before we moved, and that was in ’08. I really don’t see the point in drinking, anyway. Drinking to feel a buzz or change your feelings just means you’re not happy with the way things normally are.

    Plus, I was taught (not sure if true, but makes sense) that wine was the only way to preserve fruit in that time. Basically, if you wanted something other than water, you had wine, and water was considered poor people’s drink, or something. We have many different things to drink, now.

  • http://www.andygill.org/ Andy Gill

    I pretty much land with where you’re at. I’m not going to have a beer to quench my thirst, though i think those that do that need to know they probably shouldn’t (just sayin’, alcohol dehydrates yo). But I’m also not someone who drinks a ton now that i’m in my upper twenties its weird, my body can’t handle drinks like it could when i was 18… err i mean 21.

  • Elissa

    I believe the Bible gives us the instruction to not be drunkards. I believe it’s clear that Jesus would not contribute to sin. He turned water into wine, the very BEST wine, AFTER the wedding guests had drunk ALL the other wine. Do you really believe all those guests were sober at that point? Yet Jesus made more. I think there is a difference between getting drunk and being a drunkard. I believe people need to make their own decision about what is right for them. I don’t get hammered. I enjoy the feeling of a drink or two. I trust a pastor who will have a beer more than I trust one who says alcohol is a sin.

    • Brenda P

      Somehow I never thought about the fact that the wine was all gone because they had consumed ALL of it. So now I have lots to think on about Jesus and excess and gifts and generosity and our own free will. Great point!

    • http://musicalmindset-realnoimitation.blogspot.com/ Brad Robertson

      Love what you said at the end. I’ve had a beer with many pastors, and I share a beer on a pretty regular basis with staff, members and Elders of my church.

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  • dwightdavis

    I guess generalizations are fun.

    I drink beer fairly regularly. I drink harder liquor when I can afford it (I’m a full time divinity school student so I’m not exactly rolling in the dough). I know a lot of people who drink alcohol on a regular basis. And not a single one of them (myself included) drink because we “like the way it makes us feel.” If a beer or liquor tastes awful, I’m not interested. I only drink craft beers, and I only drink one in a sitting (unless that sitting is longer than 2 or 3 hours, but again, I’m pretty broke). I have never been buzzed or drunk. I have never drank to feel buzzed or drunk. I genuinely love the taste of a good, well-made beer (my favorite is from a local brewery called Beer Engineers, it’s a peanut butter porter and it changed my life forever). I’m a member at BeerAdvocate where I check the rating of beers before I drink them.

    All of this to say, I drink beer because I love the way it tastes, and because I’m thirsty (honestly nothing is more refreshing than a cold hefeweizen on a hot day) and I know a lot of other people who are the same way.

  • Julia

    That’s always been something I’ve wrestled with. I like to drink.. I like drinking to the point of feeling good and relaxing.. but I think that to do that there has to be a responsibility as to who you’re drinking with. If you know you’re with people you wont be foolish with (and I think we can all pinpoint foolish acts) then it’s not so bad. I’ve learned that difference.. there are people I know who I would get into trouble with and there are others I know I can genuinely have a good time without trouble with.

  • Jason Groppel

    Great book called Sipping Saints by Wilkerson changed the way I looked at this whole “debate”.

    It will change your life once you read it, and it’s based on scientific, historical, cultural, and biblical data…not just someone’s opinion.

  • Sara C.

    I don’t do it, only cuz it makes my heart race, and really, most of it tastes like pooh anyways (not that I’ve tasted pooh, ya know..?)…. But if you wanna do it, be responsible and more power to ya!

  • Bobby Marchessault

    Psalm 104:14-15 – He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for people to cultivate—
    bringing forth food from the earth:
    15 wine that gladdens human hearts,
    oil to make their faces shine,
    and bread that sustains their hearts.

    I have a guess how wine makes the human heart glad. And scripture thanks him for it. Praise God. :)
    It’s clear that being “overtaken” by wine is wrong, but saying any sort of buzz is wrong could be difficult to back up, outside a cultural argument.

  • dan mcm

    I think Jesus would’ve been a fun guy to hang out and have a few beers with, or a few glasses of wine (I’d much prefer beer, never a big wine fan.)

    Seriously, I’m not legalistic about drinking. I am sure that Jesus enjoyed having wine and relaxing with friends — if not, they wouldn’t have called him ‘a drunkard and a glutton’, right? And for those that think he made grape juice at the wedding, are you kidding? Can you imagine handing someone that’s already been drinking a glass of grape juice and having them exclaim, ‘this is the best!” Me neither. And honestly, I’ve always found dry weddings to be a little bit boring…. Having a little bit of alcohol helps people to relax, open up and have a good time.

    Are there issues with people drinking to excess? Absolutely. But that doesn’t mean that all Christians should abstain, it means that they should be careful not to drink to excess.

    By the way…. waking up with a slight hangover? Drink some water right before hitting the sack, maybe take a tylenol. The hangover is primarily due to dehydration.

    By the way, I’ve been on the wagon for almost 24 years now. I’ve always believed that we have freedom in Christ to drink if we want to, but God called me to abstain myself, because I did have a problem with it. (Alcoholism runs big on both sides of my family, and I was following suit just fine…..)

    “Everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial….” Yup. You have the freedom in Christ to drink. I had to give it up myself because of my tendency to have too much and then do stupid stuff, but that doesn’t other Christians should all abstain too.

  • allie g

    My husband and I both come from addicted families. I never struggled with alcohol, but my husband definitely did. We have both been completely sober for 2+ years now and we don’t expect other Christians to abstain from alcohol just because we are convicted to. We do have expectations of people who know our story and who choose to drink or not drink in front of us. In the same sense, these verses from Romans 14 are incredibly powerful: Don’t
    tear apart the work of God over what you eat. Remember, all foods are
    acceptable, but it is wrong to eat something if it makes another person
    stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else if it might cause another believer to stumble. 22 You
    may believe there’s nothing wrong with what you are doing, but keep it
    between yourself and God. Blessed are those who don’t feel guilty for
    doing something they have decided is right. 23 But
    if you have doubts about whether or not you should eat something, you
    are sinning if you go ahead and do it. For you are not following your
    convictions. If you do anything you believe is not right, you are
    sinning.

  • Efe Abbe

    I straddle two cultures- American and Nigerian where the response to alcohol consumption in the latter is viewed as sin by a large number of people.
    Some people choose to abstain for a variety of reasons- medical, personal conviction, family history, personal struggles. Some people (and even whole cultures) view alcohol as just another part of their lives-without necessarily abusing it.
    I think when we distill (no pun intended) it down- “Whatever you do…. do it as unto the Lord”

  • Barb

    last time I drank anything….I had a stroke. So, no more imbibing for me. That was my wakeup call to stop, for good.

  • mrsdalton

    I’ve had the best conversations about God with a bottle of beer in my hand.

  • Dewdette

    My Granny was strongly against Christians drinking alcohol. She once told me that if Jesus made the wine and offered it to her she would drink his wine and that was the only wine she would drink. She believed His wine was special and not the same as our wine today. Plus I have heard that our beer and wine has been optimized and is different from the wine they would have had back then. The best example that I could think of as to why my Granny didn’t think Christians should drink is from the children’s movie “Pete’s dragon”. The old man was a drunkard and he went to tell people he saw and talked to a talking real life cartoon dragon and no one believed him they just assumed he was drunk.

  • CdninQ8

    The thing I find most interesting is the need most believers have to justify, explain, quantify, or qualify the choice to drink alcohol. I figure that either implies they don’t really have the courage of their convictions and think that explaining it enough times might make it ‘okay’ with God, or they fear the judgment of others; faithers & non-faithers alike.

    Moderation. Self-control. “All things are lawful for me but not all things are expedient.” I drink alcohol because I like it, however what is no big deal for me may be a very big deal for someone else …as the Apostle Paul quite rightly points out. On your earlier post about hot worship leaders, one of the comments afterward pointed out that we either draw people to Jesus, or we drive them away more by our attitudes than by what we wear or do. [I'm paraphrasing]. To me, it isn’t really about alcohol… music… …[fill in the blank] but rather about the person.

    I’ve found others are drawn to our God when we are real, authentic, and congruent.

  • Shayne

    People are dying all over the world from neglect, abuse, hunger and lack of clean water. Worse, lots of them are dying without knowing the love of Christ. And these are the conversations we’re having? Do we drink…do we not drink? Do we wear skinny jeans on stage…do we not wear skinny jeans on stage? What kind of songs should we sing at church?
    Not meaning to sound crabby or judgmental (although I realize that’s exactly how I sound)…I just don’t think this conversation means a hill of beans in light of eternity. I could be wrong…I could have put my tampon in the wrong way this morning. But these are my thoughts on the subject.

    • Josh

      Standard “Christian” answer, please teach us your ways oh holy Shayne… So you must only talk about kingdom works and are out every second of the day doing good? Give it a rest… when ever you say ” Not meaning to sound crabby or judgmental” you are. Its a real life topic that we run into now and then. Not meaning to sound mean here.

      • Shayne

        You’re right. It was a crabby comment. I had just finished reading some sad headlines and then hopped over here to catch up on posts I’d missed this week. So to go from “Wildfires Destroying Homes in Colorado” to this…I was like, “Really?” People have lost everything they have and this is what we’re talking about today.

        So…the point I very carelessly tried to make was that (in my opinion) with everything else that’s going on in the world…drinking is such a non-issue. Who really cares? If you want to drink…then drink. If you don’t…then don’t. Los asked for an opinion…I gave mine. If it wasn’t up to your standards Josh…or wasn’t perhaps what you wanted to hear…there’s not much I can do about it.

        • Josh

          I hear where you are coming from man, I value your opinion but I think where we got off track is the context of this topic. Does it determine if we go to heaven or not…no, but it still causes people who are Christians to judge others harshly simply because they have a brew. The point Los was making, I think, was that Jesus busted out some top notch wine which most likely got people buzzed. So the point could be that Jesus us is not concerned with social drinking to the point of enjoyment, drunkeness is s different story. But if as followers we say “you had a beer, your naughty” that is the wron message, cuz then Jesus allowed for people to be naughty by making killer wine. All in all dont get drunk…drink and be merry.

  • jdogg

    I love to see and read about how many people drink to relieve stress- that makes total sense, I hope they dont get too stressed and start drinking, oh nevermind they already did, Los, a little surprised you would lead your bro astray and cause others to stumble.

  • Josh

    The best thing is when there are a bunch of Christians at a concert and there are beer venders or a bar at the theater; the venders and bar tenders must be like ” great, Christians are here tonight…no sales tonigght.” I remember being at a Gungor concert in L.A. and I grabbed a frosty cold one, I felt strange, odd and out of place, but I was like hey, Im not going to be fake a pretend I dont drink beer just because I am at a Christian concert. So I gulped in down and got my praise on with my wife along with Gungor! One of the best times ever! I appreciate this topic. Christians drink up! You can bet the wedding feast with our Lord will be raging!

    Josh

  • Megan Tucker

    I drink for the feeling; it tastes good, it relaxes me, and it makes me feel good. While I enjoy beer, liquor, etc., I am very careful not to get “too” drunk. Alcoholism runs in my family, so I normally limit myself to one or two drinks. Also, I’m a missionary. The only time I would refuse a drink is if I was representing my organization, or if I just didn’t want one.

    All that to say, the feeling is great. That’s why I drink.

  • Gary from Cinci

    I am often torn by the issue of drinking. I try to blame it on what others may think of me; but then I begin to wonder if that is really just im afraid others will judge me the way I would judge others. I personally think that drinking in moderation on occasions is ok. I find my self feeling rather confused by “Christian Connoisseur Beer/ Wine Snob” guy. I think we all that that FB or IG friend that is heavily involved with the church that has to make sure his craft beer is perfectly posed in every photo. I tend to personally think that I do not want to be the stumbling block to someone else.

  • Joy

    My family has a drinking problem…a tea drinking problem. I drink tons of tea. I don’t drink alcohol, it tastes yucky, gives me a headache and makes me sleepy, even if I have very little. A lot of my Christian friends have ‘tipsy stories’ to tell. I don’t have one, so am I lame? Much as we’re free to drink alcohol as Christians, why do I get the feeling that if I don’t, it’s taken as being a judgement on those who do? I’m not a weak Christian, I just don’t see the point of alcohol…

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