Posted by loswhit in Authenticity

This Sunday in churches across the America and the globe…

Fat gluttonous pastors will get up on stage and talk about living like Jesus.

Worship leaders who masturbated to pornography just hours earlier will get on stage and lead people in worshipping God through music in amazing ways.

Sunday School teachers who are sleeping with their husbands best friend will be teaching our kids about Jesus walking on water.

Administrative pastors who are using church tithes for way too many weekend getaways will be counting the offering.

Youth pastors who will have visited “professional escorts” earlier in the week will be teaching our teens about controlling their lustful desires.

Campus pastors who talk $hi+ about the senior pastor all night will introduce him that morning with love and respect.

And Jesus will show up and change the lives of many in spite of our best attempts to screw up our own.

 

Of course I’m not talking about YOUR church.  It’s obviously the other church.

The church is the perfect bride of Christ made up of imperfect people.

And the imperfection isn’t just sitting in the pews.

It’s standing on the stages as well.

 

The moment that we begin to see the church as a place for Christ to lead ALL to repentance as opposed to leaders leading a flock to repentance, in that moment… Revival will begin to take place.

 

In the ruthlessness of our humanity there is hope for His divinity…

Los

  • http://www.leefarrarbailey.com LEE FARRAR BAILEY

    Say it again…

    AMEN AND AMEN.

    Bring on the real. Bring on the transparent. Bring on the authentic. Bring on the truth and bring on the revival.

    Right on!!

  • Sarah Penner

    Whoo boy. That’s some heavy stuff. I’ve always seen the church as a place for all kinds of sinners, but even reading this made me realize I don’t know the half of it. My church is not exempt. This is a good reminder. A heavy reminder.

  • http://www.outstretched-arms.com/ Albert

    Awesome title for an awesome post I won’t find on any church sites. And I thought it was spelled $#!%, not $hi+. :-D

  • Jay

    “The moment that we begin to see the church as a place for Christ to lead ALL to repentance as opposed to leaders leading a flock to repentance…”
    AMEN!!!!
    -worship leader described above.

  • B.Rad

    Um, wow. The last sentence sums it up beautifully. Thanks for always challenging me Los. Have a great weekend.

  • http://www.cnccbaconsulting.com missdiva

    U speak TRUTH! Loving your post and thanks for keeping it REAL.

  • Bill

    I used to think I was too much of a screw up to be a leader within the Church. God had to rearrange my thinking to understand that ALL Christians are screw ups…if not, we wouldn’t need Jesus. Now I proudly admit that I’m a scoundrel…and that Jesus is the only reason I can even appear to have it all together. It’s great to be reminded that He is our righteousness!

  • http://linz14.blogspot.com Lindsey

    Yes. sir. you, sir speak truth, Like pastor P. Love listening to and reading from you both.

  • BeBe

    “The moment that we begin to see the church as a place for Christ to lead ALL to repentance as opposed to leaders leading a flock to repentance, in that moment…”
    Loved that part as well. Much truth in this blog. Always blessed by your blogs. Thanks for being so open. =)

  • http://adamherod.com Adam Herod

    Word, Los. On point.

  • John

    Heavy, but truthful and just WOW. Talk about eyes wide open. It’s so interesting that we look towards our leaders as more than mere men/women, mere sinners just like us.

    “And Jesus will show up and change the lives of many in spite of our best attempts to screw up our own.”

    Thanks Los, you rock brother.

  • http://jonnmcdaniel.com Jonn McDaniel

    Nailed it, again, Los. The very moment we begin to deceive ourselves into believing “WE” are not “THEY” we have become exactly the type of religious people that made Jesus get his Hulk on and who he consistently spoke out against through his story telling.

    It’s only in gift heaping amounts of unconditional GRACE to yourself and others that will make a transformative difference.

  • http://T.J.777 T.J.

    AND PASTORS LIKE MYSELF WHO REMAINED PURE LOSE EVERYTHING! CAREER, CHURCH, CHURCH FAMILY, WIFE AND KIDS, HOME, ECT… AS GOD IS FAITHFUL TO RESTORE AND BRING ME BACK INTO MINISTRY, I’M OPPOSED BY THE BIG WIGS BECAUSE I’M DIVORCED AND MY NEW WIFE GOT PREGNANT A MONTH BEFORE OUR WEDDING. I’M CONSIDERED “A MORAL FAILURE” AND SHOULD NOT BE LEADING OR TEACHING GODS WORD ACCORDING TO 1TIMOTHY 3… i THINK THE ONE WHO MAKES THE NEW TESTAMENT A LAW IS JUST AS GUILTY AS THE MASTERBATING WORSHIP LEADER.

  • Debbie

    Um. Wow. Not comfortable reading, no sir, but so true.

  • http://jasonshafer.tumblr.com/ jason

    one of my favorite lines to tell people is “if God waited till I (we) was ready for ministry (marriage, fatherhood, fill in the blank), He’d still be waiting” #WorkingOutMySalvation

  • Jonathan

    Thanks for laying it out there…have struggled with a call on my life for years, because of personal things. We all aren’t perfect, why do we expect our leaders to be perfect?

  • http://www.twitter.com/thejustink Justin

    Hooray for using shock techniques to get more traffic to your blog and to make a well known point that most all Christians are hypocrites. You didn’t say anything that most people don’t already know.

    10 points.

    • http://Jonnmcdaniel.com Jonn McDaniel

      Sarcastic ridicule.

      Give yourself 10,000 points.

      • http://jonnmcdaniel.com Jonn McDaniel

        Damn. I truly suck at giving grace. Justin, I should’ve been more easily willing to give grace to you than I was. I apologize for my reply post to your comment. It wasn’t very grace giving.

        I need to be reminded, again, and again, and again, to overthrow judgment and gift grace.

        • Sarah Penner

          Well done John. It takes guts to come on and say you handled it badly. We all need daily reminders to give grace and this was a good one for me since I was tempted to respond similar to your first post. Thanks.

    • Matt

      Justin…. when were you speaking this truth? We live in a world of shock value! But truth is truth! Pour the grace bro! He is doing what God called and it will always be there…. world we live in! At least you gave some points! Matthew 7:3-5

    • http://hardtruth.tv Tom Estes

      I agree, Justin. There is no reason to discuss these types of acts. He could have said those in church leadership are capable of the worst kind of sin, and that would have said enough.

  • Sherry

    Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen!!!!

  • rod murray

    and this is ok ?
    - a pastor who is not cheating on his wife, stealing from the funds, masterbating over porn, or living a double standard – what will it take to wake us up? and clean house – I thank God for grace but it is not an excuse to sin… it is the very reason we don’t have to -

  • http://followingchristwithoutabox.blogspot.com dan waits

    sometimes I wish you lived down the street from me so we could just hang sometimes

  • http://NeuYear.net Jesse Phillips

    LOVE YOUR HEART, LOS!

    I agree that many leaders are no better than the people they lead, which is why I think the system we have is the wrong system & unbiblical – not that leaders are sinners, but that we trumpet leaders on stages. I think the biblical model is a flatter structure and more intimate group, where lives are truly transparent and teaching comes from real life experience.

    If we do have what you’re describing, that’s probably why American Christians (myself included) look nothing like Christ.

  • http://www.Mohan37.com Mo

    God gets the most glory by using the least likely.

  • Valcake

    I love this post, Los.

  • Kenia

    It is not your nature to sin, you don’t have to !! Preaching “we all sin” is lowering expectation. We all do or have, but it does NOT mean there is no way to prevent it. God says IF you sin, you will be forgiven and Christs blood will cleanse you. Not WHEN.. but if. 1 John 3:9, “no one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in Him; and He cannot sin, because he is born of God.” If you know better and don’t do better, that is sin ! Intentional sin, is choosing to sin.

    We need to STOP EXCUSING SIN

    • James

      1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

      • JG

        In a way Kenia is correct. There is a difference between being a sinner and practicing sin. We are all sinners by nature but God has redeemed us and given us all that we need for life and godliness. So none of us are “without sin.” But we don’t have to practice the sin. And we sure as heck don’t have to celebrate it when we do and pull the Jesus loves us anyway card.

  • JG

    Why are we celebrating the moral failures and sins of our church leaders? Why are we excusing our sins by saying, “Well we aren’t perfect and that’s ok and Jesus can still use us.” First, yes Jesus CAN use us. No one ever said He couldn’t. But the Bible says very clearly that pastors and deacons and elders should be “above reproach.” That should apply to the worship leader and youth minister as well. I understand that people screw up and I can show grace to that because God knows I’ve screwed up plenty and still do. But when a person is continuing in sin why is it ok to let them continue to lead in the church and just blow it off? If God has called us to repentance, shouldn’t there be some actual repentance, especially among the leaders? Yes we are all hypocrites but why are so many of us just ok with that?

    • Nick

      “Why are we celebrating the moral failures and sins of our church leaders? Why are we excusing our sins by saying, “Well we aren’t perfect and that’s ok and Jesus can still use us.” First, yes Jesus CAN use us. No one ever said He couldn’t. But the Bible says very clearly that pastors and deacons and elders should be “above reproach.” That should apply to the worship leader and youth minister as well. I understand that people screw up and I can show grace to that because God knows I’ve screwed up plenty and still do. But when a person is continuing in sin why is it ok to let them continue to lead in the church and just blow it off? If God has called us to repentance, shouldn’t there be some actual repentance, especially among the leaders? Yes we are all hypocrites but why are so many of us just ok with that?”
      +1!

      James 1:26
      26 Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. 27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

      James 2

      “14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

      18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

      Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

      20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

      25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.”

      1 John 1:6

      “6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[b] sin.”

      1 John 2

      “3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God[a] is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.”

      “29 If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him.”

      Even Paul, the author of “By Grace thru faith only” even said don’t use this freedom as a license for sin, and that’s exactly what we’re doing. And because I myself am no better than anyone else, I don’t seek out any kind of authority and power in the church.

      Rom 2

      “5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.”

      We think we are just absolved of any responsibility of our actions because Christ Died for us? I think we’ll find we’re sorely mistaken. Read Paul’s letters. There is not one letter that says it is acceptable to continue sinning, even with the free gift of grace.

      I know I am a sinner with a darkened heart. Even so, I won’t pervert the words of truth like so many Churches do today, to “justify” my own sin. We have turned the Bible into something it’s not, and Jesus himself. I’ve heard it said in churches that Jesus came to even forgive our “future sins.”

      1 john calls a person who continues to live unlike christ a “liar.”
      Doesn’t sound like the NT authors were so keen on allowing sin to be accepted in any form, Even Paul, who was the torchbearer for salvation by faith alone.

      What was John the baptist’s message, whom Jesus said was the greatest person ever to be born??

      “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near”

      And what does Jesus say in Mat.?

      17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”

      at one point I actually tried to listen to what the Bible teaches, not what I’ve been taught by pastors. Is the Biblethe ultimate authority in your belief system… then read it.

      The license for sin that people have made grace out to be is completely anti-biblical.

      Remember the adulterous woman??? “Go and sin no more.”

      And to conclude, this in no way signifies that I am without sin, and that’s a bad thing. But I will not distort the words of Christ and paul, peter, james, etc. to make them say my life is “okay.”

  • http://themadhattermemoirs.wordpress.com/ Jonathan Montan

    Best post I have read in a LONG time. #straighttruth

  • http://ryanguard.net ryanguard

    I haven’t slept with any hookers, but I’ve got love handles and a propensity for upsized fries.

  • http://panasiukart.blogspot.com Danny Panasiuk

    We sure aren’t perfect art we?

  • Jay

    Wow, truth without tiptoeing around the core of the matter. There had better not be vague generalizations of sin when the leadership in churches finally begin to get real and open repentance begins to occur. They need to call it out for what it is and be real. categorizing it as ” horrible sin” would just keep it in the ” horrible” darkness. The generation that seeks revival and will lead the way of revival in my opinion has very keen discernment, and they can sniff out the fake from the real. Most of them, as a matter of fact have already left the church as soon as the were able, just because their discernment gave them a hunger and thirst for something more genuine. A psalm 24 generation is expectant and waiting to ascend the heights, and they will not be held back by the politics, skeletons, and dirty baggage in the dark closets of their local church. Holy Spirit has showed them how to engage in real organic community right on the street corner.

  • http://www.yadah.tv Francene

    Very sad state but Jesus CHRIST

  • Mary Beth

    I’ve been thinking about this a lot. I’m a minister and know many platform folk who have fallen into this category present company not excluded. However, do you think that there are some men and women of God out there leading worship & congregations & even youth that are NOT currently entangled in sin! That are truly practicing what they preach and attempting to live a holy life?! There must be right? I know Romans 323 is true for all of us, but I also believe there are some guys and girls out there abstaining, being faithful spouses, good stewards, and living a pure life. I’m a mental health therapist and I even still believe this & hope it to be true! What do you think?

  • https://godwordsecret.com king

    I am just hooked to your site right now. You are straight forward and that is what the church needs. We shouldnt be hiding things

  • Theresa

    Accountabilty…I agree with JG.

  • http://NA Alan Swartz

    Just because you masturbate before worship sets doesn’t mean that everyone does you sick bastard. Just because your mother is a whore and has sex with sunday school teachers, don’t assume others are doing that around the church too. Look, God uses imperfect people to lead the church but if you jack off before every set, beg for forgiveness you bag of scum. And wear a wedding ring you unfaithful piece of crap.

    P.S. Awesome job at Saddleback today.

  • http://timdedeaux.com Tim Dedeaux

    I hate it when people conflate being overweight with gluttony. Gluttony isn’t about BMI, it’s about using and using and using and not leaving enough for everyone else.

    But in America, the poor are FAR more likely to be fat than the rich. But guess who uses more resources?

    Is a fat person a glutton just by being fat? What if they’re on a 1,000 calorie a day diet, eating less than all the skinny folk around them? Are they still a glutton simply for taking up too much space?

    Are you really going to sanctify America’s obsession with Hollywood good looks and skinniness?

    Assuming you can look at someone and declare them a glutton (“fat, gluttonous”) without knowing anything else about them is just foolish and self-righteous.

    Further, the skinny jeans and iProducts (made with real slave labor at a plant with heartbreaking suicide rates) crowd aren’t gluttons just because they’re rail thin is funny, too.

    In fact, if you want to be blunt, all Americans are gluttons, considering our per-capita energy use is second in the world among large countries … and that doesn’t even count the energy use we’ve outsourced to make the constant stream of cheap consumer goods that rush into this country like lemmings over a cliff.

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  • Guest

    Good time to the question: how to stop definitely with a masturbating addiction?

  • Guest

    Good time for the question: how can a youth definitely stops being masturbation addicted?

  • Guest

    Hey, grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ, brethren! I’m brazilian – and a new creature, and because of this, I’m not ashamed to ask for help – and I’m living something like this, so good time for the question: how can a youth christian definitely stops being a masturbation addicted?

  • Jaime Filho

    Hey, grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ, brethren! I’m brazilian – and a new creature, and because I walk in the light (1John 1:7) I’m not ashamed to ask for help – and I’m living something like this, so good time for the question: how can a youth christian definitely stops being a masturbation addicted?

    • sojah say

      Petition God for self control, live for Him fully, die to yourself, ask The Ruach to help you do such. Most importantly, stop doing it, and if you give in dont let satan beat you up. Repent, confess and practice self control next time. Keep petitioning until you are changed. Stop ministering in the mean while. Don’t be a hypocrite, take time to be the person your youth think you are. Yhwh will expose you, so take time off to seek Yhwh for change and live Holy, then and on,y then should you minister.

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